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		<title>Comment on Good Witch Series: Glinda by Laila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I always saw Glenda as a rather evil character. She puts Dorothy through this trama and endangers her life, why? So she can learn to appreciate a place where people don&#039;t try to kill her? It makes for a better story, but the title of &quot;good&quot; witch I feel is undeserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I always saw Glenda as a rather evil character. She puts Dorothy through this trama and endangers her life, why? So she can learn to appreciate a place where people don&#8217;t try to kill her? It makes for a better story, but the title of &#8220;good&#8221; witch I feel is undeserved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Witch Series: Glinda by Keith Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baum was a Theosophist, so it&#039;s entirely possible he&#039;d had some exposure to anthropological literature on shamanism that existed at the time, I suppose.

The spell that summoned the flying monkeys also had three parts, and was performed standing on first one foot, then the other, then both together. I still know the spell.* Pity I don&#039;t have the magical cap required to make it work. Flying monkeys would be cooool. &gt;:-)

*Yes, really; I&#039;m that guy. I can quote incantations from Bewitched, from beloved children&#039;s books, from mid-&#039;80s comic books, Buffy, Charmed, etc. ad nauseum. Most of them are ridiculous, of course (although every so often you run across a phrase or two worth swiping and adapting for actual use), but the rhymes and/or cadences stick in my head. It&#039;s a mildly amusing party trick, if you&#039;re at the right party. If I ever find a man who can compete, I&#039;ll marry him on the spot. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baum was a Theosophist, so it&#8217;s entirely possible he&#8217;d had some exposure to anthropological literature on shamanism that existed at the time, I suppose.</p>
<p>The spell that summoned the flying monkeys also had three parts, and was performed standing on first one foot, then the other, then both together. I still know the spell.* Pity I don&#8217;t have the magical cap required to make it work. Flying monkeys would be cooool. &gt;:-)</p>
<p>*Yes, really; I&#8217;m that guy. I can quote incantations from Bewitched, from beloved children&#8217;s books, from mid-&#8217;80s comic books, Buffy, Charmed, etc. ad nauseum. Most of them are ridiculous, of course (although every so often you run across a phrase or two worth swiping and adapting for actual use), but the rhymes and/or cadences stick in my head. It&#8217;s a mildly amusing party trick, if you&#8217;re at the right party. If I ever find a man who can compete, I&#8217;ll marry him on the spot. <img src='http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Witch Series: Glinda by Zan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey both Keith and Pagan Puff Pieces: thanks for your really insightful comments. Yes, thank you, PPP, Witches come in both Good and Bad, and may Dreams be filled with Good Magicke.
Keith- thank you so much for contributing from the book: it has been years since I read it, but- wow- the Witch of the North is kind of Shamanic, isn&#039;t she? &quot;She whirled around on her left heel three times, and straightway disappeared.&quot; 
Anything to do with one foot (according to at least Carlo Ginzburg, in Ecstasies) counts as an Archetypal Sign of Shamanism, as One Foot archetyply represents (in some Universal Archetypal Form: witness Rumplestilskin hopping on one foot) anyone who has Journeyed Between the Worlds.
Doing anything three times is a significant act in (at least) English Folklore Tradition. Witness: the Three Sisters in Macbeth.
Whirling around, or spinning in a Circle, is a device associated with Witches in Elizabethan/ Jacobean Witch Plays: witness again Macbeth, or Jonson&#039;s Sad Shepherd or Masque of Queens.
All of this- spinning around on her left heel three times- causes a Supernatural Reaction: she disappears.
Now all of a sudden, I would love to know how Mr. Baum put all this Folklore-Mythology together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey both Keith and Pagan Puff Pieces: thanks for your really insightful comments. Yes, thank you, PPP, Witches come in both Good and Bad, and may Dreams be filled with Good Magicke.<br />
Keith- thank you so much for contributing from the book: it has been years since I read it, but- wow- the Witch of the North is kind of Shamanic, isn&#8217;t she? &#8220;She whirled around on her left heel three times, and straightway disappeared.&#8221;<br />
Anything to do with one foot (according to at least Carlo Ginzburg, in Ecstasies) counts as an Archetypal Sign of Shamanism, as One Foot archetyply represents (in some Universal Archetypal Form: witness Rumplestilskin hopping on one foot) anyone who has Journeyed Between the Worlds.<br />
Doing anything three times is a significant act in (at least) English Folklore Tradition. Witness: the Three Sisters in Macbeth.<br />
Whirling around, or spinning in a Circle, is a device associated with Witches in Elizabethan/ Jacobean Witch Plays: witness again Macbeth, or Jonson&#8217;s Sad Shepherd or Masque of Queens.<br />
All of this- spinning around on her left heel three times- causes a Supernatural Reaction: she disappears.<br />
Now all of a sudden, I would love to know how Mr. Baum put all this Folklore-Mythology together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Witch Series: Glinda by Pagan Puff Pieces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pagan Puff Pieces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, upon hearing the line &quot;Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?&quot; (or, at least, experiencing it in some form, since I don&#039;t remember when I actually heard it he first time) I thought that was very logical.

I mean, really, Dorothy, why are you so ignorant? Isn&#039;t it so totally obvious witches would come in both good and bad varieties? 


(Maybe the fundamentalists were right. XD Soon, your dreams are filled with good magic and forces in the world, and next...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, upon hearing the line &#8220;Are you a good witch, or a bad witch?&#8221; (or, at least, experiencing it in some form, since I don&#8217;t remember when I actually heard it he first time) I thought that was very logical.</p>
<p>I mean, really, Dorothy, why are you so ignorant? Isn&#8217;t it so totally obvious witches would come in both good and bad varieties? </p>
<p>(Maybe the fundamentalists were right. XD Soon, your dreams are filled with good magic and forces in the world, and next&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Witch Series: Glinda by Keith Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I preferred the good witch of the original book.
&lt;i&gt;
Three were men and one a woman, and all were oddly dressed. They wore round hats that rose to a small point a foot above their heads, with little bells around the brims that tinkled sweetly as they moved. The hats of the men were blue; the little woman&#039;s hat was white, and she wore a white gown that hung in pleats from her shoulders. Over it were sprinkled little stars that glistened in the sun like diamonds. . . . the little woman was doubtless much older. Her face was covered with wrinkles, her hair was nearly white, and she walked rather stiffly.  . . .

As for the little old woman, she took off her cap and balanced the point on the end of her nose, while she counted &quot;One, two, three&quot; in a solemn voice. At once the cap changed to a slate, on which was written in big, white chalk marks: &quot;LET DOROTHY GO TO THE CITY OF EMERALDS&quot;

The little old woman took the slate from her nose, and having read the words on it, asked, &quot;Is your name Dorothy, my dear?&quot;  . . .

&quot;Won&#039;t you go with me?&quot; pleaded the girl, who had begun to look upon the little old woman as her only friend.

&quot;No, I cannot do that,&quot; she replied, &quot;but I will give you my kiss, and no one will dare injure a person who has been kissed by the Witch of the North.&quot;

She came close to Dorothy and kissed her gently on the forehead. Where her lips touched the girl they left a round, shining mark, as Dorothy found out soon after.  . . .

The Witch gave Dorothy a friendly little nod, whirled around on her left heel three times, and straightway disappeared, much to the surprise of little Toto, who barked after her loudly enough when she had gone, because he had been afraid even to growl while she stood by. But Dorothy, knowing her to be a witch, had expected her to disappear in just that way, and was not surprised in the least.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, in the books, it was the Witch of the South who was young and beautiful and named Glinda. They conflated the two characters and left out the journey to the Quadlings entirely. . . which is fine, but I still like the grandmotherly figure better. :-)

(And that ridiculous crown always irritated the crap out of me. &gt;:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I preferred the good witch of the original book.<br />
<i><br />
Three were men and one a woman, and all were oddly dressed. They wore round hats that rose to a small point a foot above their heads, with little bells around the brims that tinkled sweetly as they moved. The hats of the men were blue; the little woman&#8217;s hat was white, and she wore a white gown that hung in pleats from her shoulders. Over it were sprinkled little stars that glistened in the sun like diamonds. . . . the little woman was doubtless much older. Her face was covered with wrinkles, her hair was nearly white, and she walked rather stiffly.  . . .</p>
<p>As for the little old woman, she took off her cap and balanced the point on the end of her nose, while she counted &#8220;One, two, three&#8221; in a solemn voice. At once the cap changed to a slate, on which was written in big, white chalk marks: &#8220;LET DOROTHY GO TO THE CITY OF EMERALDS&#8221;</p>
<p>The little old woman took the slate from her nose, and having read the words on it, asked, &#8220;Is your name Dorothy, my dear?&#8221;  . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;Won&#8217;t you go with me?&#8221; pleaded the girl, who had begun to look upon the little old woman as her only friend.</p>
<p>&#8220;No, I cannot do that,&#8221; she replied, &#8220;but I will give you my kiss, and no one will dare injure a person who has been kissed by the Witch of the North.&#8221;</p>
<p>She came close to Dorothy and kissed her gently on the forehead. Where her lips touched the girl they left a round, shining mark, as Dorothy found out soon after.  . . .</p>
<p>The Witch gave Dorothy a friendly little nod, whirled around on her left heel three times, and straightway disappeared, much to the surprise of little Toto, who barked after her loudly enough when she had gone, because he had been afraid even to growl while she stood by. But Dorothy, knowing her to be a witch, had expected her to disappear in just that way, and was not surprised in the least.</i></p>
<p>Of course, in the books, it was the Witch of the South who was young and beautiful and named Glinda. They conflated the two characters and left out the journey to the Quadlings entirely. . . which is fine, but I still like the grandmotherly figure better. <img src='http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(And that ridiculous crown always irritated the crap out of me. &gt;:-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hansel and Gretel: Witch-Hunters by Good Witch Series: Glinda &#187; The Juggler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Witch Series: Glinda &#187; The Juggler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back on the Juggler, Juggler Reader Bellatrix was expressing the same frustration that so many current Witches and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Maligned Paganism, and Coming Out by Pagan Puff Pieces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pagan Puff Pieces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... if you say so! 

And, I momentarily forgot about the fact that video games of the late 80s, even the story driven role playing games, were usually not very heavy on story, anyway, or at least a clear narrative. So how spooked could you be, really, even if you did see an obvious religious symbol or reference in your game?
 On the other hand, those story driven role playing games didn&#039;t do well in the US until the late 90s. But, then again, on the other hand, Nintendo of America did have a much stricter policy of obscuring religious references and other things American parents might not want wholesome kids to see in their games back then (They couldn&#039;t change the Manji Labyrinth, though!). I wonder if this changed because the audience grew up literally, or figuratively... or because you can&#039;t hide anything in an internet age.

Which brings us to the previously mentioned game that not only talks explicitly about its gods, but has a ceremony in which a character stands in for their patron Goddess to complete a student&#039;s graduation into knighthood, and a later revelation that the titular princess and the hero in all the past games in the series have been varying incarnations of a specific Goddess-and-Knight pair. Would that fly in the late 80s and early 90s, even if Nintendo of America let it go through? Maybe with certain other fantasy crowds. Not so sure about the video game crowd (or, rather, the parents paying as much as $50 a game).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; if you say so! </p>
<p>And, I momentarily forgot about the fact that video games of the late 80s, even the story driven role playing games, were usually not very heavy on story, anyway, or at least a clear narrative. So how spooked could you be, really, even if you did see an obvious religious symbol or reference in your game?<br />
 On the other hand, those story driven role playing games didn&#8217;t do well in the US until the late 90s. But, then again, on the other hand, Nintendo of America did have a much stricter policy of obscuring religious references and other things American parents might not want wholesome kids to see in their games back then (They couldn&#8217;t change the Manji Labyrinth, though!). I wonder if this changed because the audience grew up literally, or figuratively&#8230; or because you can&#8217;t hide anything in an internet age.</p>
<p>Which brings us to the previously mentioned game that not only talks explicitly about its gods, but has a ceremony in which a character stands in for their patron Goddess to complete a student&#8217;s graduation into knighthood, and a later revelation that the titular princess and the hero in all the past games in the series have been varying incarnations of a specific Goddess-and-Knight pair. Would that fly in the late 80s and early 90s, even if Nintendo of America let it go through? Maybe with certain other fantasy crowds. Not so sure about the video game crowd (or, rather, the parents paying as much as $50 a game).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Maligned Paganism, and Coming Out by Andrew Lore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Lore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that the Paganism movement has that is very different then the GLBT right movement or the civil rights movement before it is that you do not choose your sexual orientation or your race. You do choose your spiritual path. The problem with seeking tolerance of a separate spiritual path is you can not use the &quot;they were born that way, they don&#039;t have a choice&quot; argument that is so successful is swaying people away from intolerance. 

-Andrew Lore
paganinsider.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that the Paganism movement has that is very different then the GLBT right movement or the civil rights movement before it is that you do not choose your sexual orientation or your race. You do choose your spiritual path. The problem with seeking tolerance of a separate spiritual path is you can not use the &#8220;they were born that way, they don&#8217;t have a choice&#8221; argument that is so successful is swaying people away from intolerance. </p>
<p>-Andrew Lore<br />
paganinsider.com</p>
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		<title>Comment on Maligned Paganism, and Coming Out by Magickal Media Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News for Pagans, 2-1-12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magickal Media Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News for Pagans, 2-1-12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/2012/02/maligned-paganism-and-coming-out/ Maligned Paganism and coming out as Gay on “The Juggler”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/2012/02/maligned-paganism-and-coming-out/" rel="nofollow">http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/2012/02/maligned-paganism-and-coming-out/</a> Maligned Paganism and coming out as Gay on “The Juggler”. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Muppet Wicker Man by Zan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH-MY-GODS-that was the most brilliantly twisted piece of parody I have ever seen, ever-</description>
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